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Mike Guilbault ,

Rolling Timeless - eliminating streaks?

I still seem to be getting streaks from the roller when I use Timeless.  Not always noticeable, but especially on dark prints, even without applying any pressure other than the weight of the roller, I still get some streaking from the edge of the roller.  

any suggestions?

July 4, 2013, 11:07 pm • Canada


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Michael Flanagan, Breathing Color

December 16, 2013, 12:23 pm • United States

Mike Guilbault ,
BTW... Amplis is out of 17 and 24" rolls of Lyve here in Ontario Canada... see if you can push some through for me eh!!

July 26, 2013, 6:29 pm • Canada

Mike Guilbault ,
Thanks Justin... I'm slowly getting a handle on this.  Who'd a thought there would be so much fiddling with rolling on a coat of paint! ;)

July 26, 2013, 6:28 pm • Canada

Justin Bodin, Breathing Color
Hey Mike,

I'm glad that is working better for you. I also like the fact that there is one less thing to clean up--the tray.

When I pour the coating directly on the print, I don't saturate the roller at all first. As the roller becomes more and more saturated, it seems a lot harder to get rid of roller marks on those last "clean up" passes. So for the first print I'll just pour on the coating and begin to lightly spread it around the print. Once it's spread out, I start putting pressure on the roller and rolling it out. For the second print, I keep in mind that I have a more saturated roller and pour a bit less coating.

Between coats, 20-30 minutes is enough dry time. You will want to wait until it is dry, and not tacky, to the touch and you're good to go. I always use a second, dry roller on the second coat. I think that you would be OK to rinse out the first roller and let it dry that same amount of time and then use it again, albeit still damp. I definitely wouldn't just set the first roller aside without rinsing it though. Once that Timeless dries on there it seems almost impossible to get it all out.

July 26, 2013, 9:04 am • United States

Mike Guilbault ,
The temp has been a little warmer, but I also tried just pouring the Timeless directly on the print to roll (rather than using the roller tray).  I like that much better and like you said, can control the amount used much easier.  Your 1.5oz / 3 SqFt seems a good formula too.

On most video/tutorials you see, they say to 'soak' the roller with coating first.  When you pour the coating directly onto the print, are you soaking the roller at all before rolling - or do you just go ahead an roll the coating thats on the print.  For the second print I guess it's already 'wet' enough - but curious what you do for the first print.

And secondly - I've been leaving the coating to dry for about 1/2 hour before applying the second coat.  Is that sufficient?  And would you recommend using a clean roller for the second coat since the first roller would have also been sitting around for that 1/2 hour - or do you clean the first roller and then use it again?  I guess what I'm asking is should I rotate through a couple of rollers for each application?

July 25, 2013, 7:23 pm • Canada

Mike Guilbault ,
I'm going to be away for a few days, but I'll check on that when I get back.  That could be the problem.

July 11, 2013, 9:15 pm • Canada

Justin Bodin, Breathing Color

Temp/humidity may definitely be attributing to the problem. Ideally, you'd work in 70-75 degrees with no more than about 65-70 relative humidity.

I'd recommend warming the Timeless up before you apply it. Depending on the size you're coating, I'd set it in a microwave for ~10 seconds before applying it. I suspect that it may be drying a bit too fast on the high-pressure rolling stage, and it's too dry to get the roller marks fully worked out on the low-pressure rolling stage.

Bill Atkinson sprays Timeless with an HVLP gun and sets the gun's reservoir in a 5-gallon bucket full of water that is being heated with an aquarium heater. Not so much useful information in this case, but interesting nonetheless.

July 11, 2013, 12:48 pm • United States

Mike Guilbault ,
I had been using a single coat, but tying two coats now.   I'll trying working it in more.  Is there an ideal temperature/humidity for working Timeless?  Unfortunately I don't have room at my studio and built an area in my basement at home for the rolling and stretching.  It's cooler in the basement and the humidity here is also fairly high.  I've got a dehumidifier going constantly and empty it once a day.

July 11, 2013, 6:42 am • Canada

Justin Bodin, Breathing Color

Timeless doesn't have the kind of self-leveling/self-"healing" properties as Glamour 2 does. Essentially it should be as perfect as possible before you walk away. As I mentioned, I've found that working the coating even MORE is generally the trick to removing these types of lines.

Do you just do use a single coat?

July 9, 2013, 9:02 pm • United States

Mike Guilbault ,
Yes, I'm using the Timeless rollers. I apply lots of pressure to start and by the time I'm done, it's just the weight of the roller itself. At first I roll one direction, the while its still quite wet, I'll roll perpendicular to that and then stay in that direction, slowly releasing the pressure.  The streaks are very subtle and like you mentioned, mostly show up in the dark areas. I was wondering if I should roll less and let the coating even itself out while it dries. 

July 9, 2013, 6:56 pm • Canada

Justin Bodin, Breathing Color
Hey Mike,

Are you using our Timeless roller when applying? The plastic core plays a large part in helping to eliminate roller marks.

I sometimes see roller marks in dark areas when I'm at the end of the coating process. I've found that just the weight of the roller (maybe just a very small bit of pressure also) combined with a high number of quick passes in one direction clears these up.

Also, a second coat can help get rid of roller marks. If I notice them before I begin applying the second coat, I will sometimes warm the Timeless (8 or so seconds in a microwave) before applying.

I would say I can eliminate the majority of them through the high number of unidirectional passes, though.

July 8, 2013, 4:40 pm • United States