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There seems to be an anomaly when printing with lyve canvas, using an epson 9890. I'm on a mac. When I select media type, the breathing color video has you select watercolor paper radiant white. When I do this, the length of my prints is short by one eighth of an inch for every 12 inches of print length. Through experimentation, I've found that the only way to get the correct length is to select canvas as the media type. Is this an error in the video? I can't see a color shift, but?? Has anyone else experienced this? Please advise. Thanks.

June 6, 2013, 3:51 pm • United States


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Ken Doo, Ken Doo Photography
The "shrinkage" issue is not limited to Lyve or printer model , ie Epson 9900.  The shrinkage issue is something that can effect any poly cotton canvas, and especially after coated with a water based varnish/protectant.  Shrinkage generally is only in length (not width) similar to when washing a new pair of Levi 501 jeans.  The difficulty is that shrinkage varies among individual printers themselves, and a singular answer is not always applicable across the board for a single printer model, e.g, 9900, 9800, etc.  

The "canvas" setting in the Epson driver does help, and for some this may address the shrinkage issue completely. This is a relatively new setting that I believe Epson has tweaked to address the shrinkage issue, and basically only for newer printers (9900, 9890, et al).  I would NOT adjust the feed settings on your printer as this really is not a print quality issue, e.g., banding.

For older printers, you can figure out how much "shrinkage" your printer does for a particular size of canvas.  If it is "short" you can figure out the percentage of shrinkage, and then adjust only for that dimension percentage using the image size function in Photoshop.  You will need to make sure you print the image in that adjusted direction only.  Not difficult once you figure out the formula.  

A really great printer utility that specifically addresses this issue is Qimage.  Because the shrinkage issue (I call it the Seinfeld George Costanza effect---"it was the pool!") varies with individual printers, Qimage lets you dial in a specific percentage for the printer utility to adjust the print image for shrinkage in the length direction only.  Simply Awesome!  For example, my 9900 still has very slight shrinkage even with the canvas setting selected.  I simply can dial in a small percentage of shrinkage into Qimage, and the printer utility takes care of everything.  Once coated, my Lyve canvas prints are right on.


p.s.  You can get a custom icc Lyve canvas profile made using color targets using the "Canvas" setting as opposed to WCRW.

October 17, 2013, 10:30 am • United States

Michael Darling, Westland Printworks
WPRW media type puts down more ink than canvas type, which *slightly* increases color gamut.  I always use the canvas media type to avoid having to deal with feed adjustments.

July 21, 2013, 3:08 am • United States

Justin Bodin, Breathing Color
Hi Theodore,

You and Mike are correct. We have found that selecting the "Canvas" media type does help solve this shrinkage issue. Through testing, "Watercolor Paper Radiant White" was determined to be the optimal media type. It was before my time here, but I'm assuming this was before Epson included a Canvas media type in the driver, or something.

Either way, you can still see shrinkage (or growth like in the case of Mike, below) which can be fine tuned through a manual feed adjustment.

So yes, select the "Canvas" media type and continue to use that same ICC profile. We are right in the middle of revamping many of our documents and videos and this one is top priority for this reason.

June 7, 2013, 8:34 am • United States

Mike Guilbault ,
It's probably the same problem I was having on my 9900.  Justin should be able to help you out - he helped me and it's working great now.  There's an adjustment that needs to be made in the print settings.  I can't remember right now what it is, but something to do with the paper feed I think.  I use the Canvas media type too.

June 6, 2013, 9:49 pm • Canada