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Gerry Curry, Curry Systems & Consulting

Can you apply a second coat of Timeless after the first one is dry?


February 23, 2013, 5:01 pm • Canada


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Justin Bodin, Breathing Color
You know, I don't really have a measured amount. As an estimate--coupled with a bit of quick math--I would say I can cover about 3 sq.ft. with an ounce and a half of coating.

I certainly clean the rollers between each use. I just rinse them out really well with water and run my hand down the foam to try and get all of the coating out. Then once it's dry, I will use it again. These rollers last quite a long time this way. With a gentle hand when rinsing, you should be able to get 15-20 cycles out of it, I would think.

June 4, 2013, 4:27 pm • United States


Mike Guilbault ,
Do you have a measured amount you pour on depending on the size? 

I got a bit of cracking on the edges with my last stretch - but of course didn't notice until after it was stretched. 

You say you switch to a new roller after two prints.  Do you clean those rollers and reuse them?  I've just been washing my roller after each 'session' and reusing it.  I've done up to 4 canvases at a session.

June 1, 2013, 6:33 am • Canada


Justin Bodin, Breathing Color
If you're saturating the roller, you're likely applying at least a medium coat (depending on the size of your print, of course). 

Personally, I much prefer pouring the coating directly onto the print (as seen here), which allows me a bit more control over just how much coating goes on. I even like to switch to a new roller after coating about two prints, since I find that once the roller gets too saturated, I have a more difficult time removing roller marks and/or small bubbles. 

A lot of it is about personal preference and finding a technique that works best for you. There are many "correct" ways to do it.

May 30, 2013, 9:34 am • United States


Mike Guilbault ,
Not sure if my coatings would be classified as light, medium or heavy - but I saturate the roller quite heavily and then let it stream off until it just drips and then apply with increasingly lighter strokes until most of the lines disappear.  I've only applied single coats and so far no cracking.  I usually allow 48hrs of drying time.  I've only used the matte coating so far with only one test with the Satin, but the same technique.

May 29, 2013, 9:33 pm • Canada


Justin Bodin, Breathing Color
That's a great question, Mike!

Coating mainly does four things: 1. Increases perceived color densities. 2. Helps eliminate micro-cracking when stretching. 3. Increases the durability (mainly scuffing and water resistance) of the print. 4. Helps inhibit UV light (it's of course best to opt for OBA-free media).

How do you tell if it's enough? The main way to do this is to just look at it, like you've been doing. It is safe to say that if you don't see any cracking when you stretch the print, then you have coated it well. 

I often see multiple coats applied to try and maximize the color "pop" achieved when applying a satin or matte varnish. Be careful here though, as too much coating will start to knock down your highlights. I've generally heard that this will start to happen after about three light-medium coats (this can certainly vary depending on the specific media and each different manufacture).

Have you experimented with it much? How do your experiences compare, if so?

May 28, 2013, 10:13 pm • United States


Mike Guilbault ,
I guess my question would be then (sorry to steal your thread Gerry) how do you know when it is enough?   It's 'working' as far as I can tell, but dont' really have a reference to compare to.

May 28, 2013, 8:58 pm • Canada


Justin Bodin, Breathing Color
Hey Mike,

If you've found an application process that works well for you, I would stick with that. Different climates or other situations can be cause for multiple coats, but if one coat is working well for you, then great! It's one of those things that is difficult to give a solid answer for since all environments are different and each application process--in terms of amount of coating and exact application method--can be slightly different.

Hope this helps!

May 28, 2013, 11:38 am • United States


Mike Guilbault ,
Fancy meeting you here Gerry!

Justin, are two coats recommended if rolling. I've been using only one and so far seems ok.

May 27, 2013, 7:06 pm • Canada


Gerry Curry, Curry Systems & Consulting
Thank you Justin. I am rolling, using satin Timeless. I have no problem with matte but satin coverage is hard to see when applying and I don't seem to see the areas I'm missing until it dries. 

February 28, 2013, 2:13 pm • Canada


Justin Bodin, Breathing Color
Gerry,

Thanks for your question. You can definitely apply two coats of Timeless. You generally want to apply two light to medium coats with about 20 minutes of dry time between each.

I'm not sure if you are spraying or rolling the timeless, but here is a blog post we wrote, outlining five best practices for spray coating where number four talks specifically about your question.

February 27, 2013, 10:01 am • United States

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